after i came to terms with my decision to leave the org, i suddenly didnt want to anything to do with god.
its been several months and i still dont want to hear people talk about whether there is a god or not.
or when people say that they thank god for this and that.
I think it is normal, cause the same thing happened to me. One day I was a loyal witness going to all the meetings, ministry answering etc, the next i'd cut it off completely. I've had similar feelings regarding god, its put me off to think all religions use him to get people to do things the way they want, a form of control as I see it. I see no proof either way now, and therefore can't trust the words of any man - whether that be bible writers or modern day religious leaders.
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i have been studying a lot about mind control.
i understand that while someone is in the "honeymoon" phase of being recruited in to a group, it is very unlikely that they will leave.
my jw friend is still in that stage.
I've never thought of a honeymoon period, but your right now i think back. Unfortunately the post wedding (baptism) can last many years , just as in any abusive relationship - the partner tells you that your not good enough, deals with you badly and then says that they are the only one who can love you. So as with any controlling relationship, it can take a long time for someone to break free.
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i'm trying to decide where i want to sit on the plane to dallas - i can choose online 24 hours beforehand but am not sure where is best for comfort, quiet, service, view.
is there anyway of predicting where any babies might be so i can be as far away as possible from them?.
https://www.britishairways.com/travel/managebooking/public/en_gb?eid=104504&source=mmb_tab_ob.
Usually prefer the window seat, but once when I went on holiday to Turkey there were a few of us and we all sat on the ends and played cards over the isle which was cool.
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let us exalt jehovah's name together.
" (psalm 34:3) what a fine example for us to follow!does matthew 26:30 say anything about singing "jehovahs praises"?.
*** w04 4/15 p. 17 par.
I have to say this was one thing I frequently did not agree with - the fact that someone would claim to have had Jehovah's protection, when someone else didnt. I couldn't see how anyone (including the society) could make such a claim. I now realise its a reinforcing technique used to show that JW's are the only true religion to their members. Followers want to believe it so they buy it big time, anything that goes well for them becomes a blessing from Jehovah, anything bad was Satan and this world getting at them.
Anyway i've not had a chance to thank you Blondie for a while, for your effort to produce the comments, so a big thank you from me.
By the way I like the new font/size etc too
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did anything exciting or alarming ever happen at your hall?
i remember only funny incidents, like one brother getting up there with his zipper down.
(i knew alot of brothers after that felt no shame to actually check down there before going up on the podium!
My (now ex) wife, had a no.3 talk to give one night and her and I had been rubbed up the wrong way by one of the loving elders recent to that, anyway she started the talk and then stopped and looked upset, and the sister with her was rubbing her leg going its alright, and it looked like it was part of the role play. I knew it wasnt and stood up concerned and when she started crying I went to get her. Another sister (someone who would later leave the faith) came out the back with us and found out it was partly down to this elder's attitude. Well she gives him (the elder) a right going over after the meeting we found out later in front of everyone. To his credit her rang my wife to see if she was ok and what was up, to which she repied 'you are the problem'.
p.s. I also once played the wrong song at the kingdom hall and instead of finding the right one I left it playing, hehe.
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is there a time not to speak out?.
is there a time when it might be better not to say something and put doubts into someone's mind?.
we, as a family are 'faded' for well over five years now.
If you are saying 'someone' then yes, but you are saying a whole family. As you well point out, the difficulties that could arise by trying to speak to one member alone. For some as we know living in the dream of the WTS is actually of little harm to them and some people would never survive outside of that or something else like it.
Every person is responsible for their own actions, and although we are aware that many careful and clever technique's are used to draw someone into the lie, ultimately you can't go around trying to stop everyone joining. A better bet is to show by your actions, how life outside can be, and having discussions about it, rather than directly trying to influence.
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comments you will not hear at the 02-25-07 wt study (january 15, 2007, pages 21-25)(bible really teaches).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
Thanks for another good review, its quite laughable how every other religious organisation or church is tarred (sp) by the same brush whilst the 'FDS' can be wrong/flip flop/change whole doctrines/lie etc and yet not be viewed the same.
How can they claim to teach what the Bible reallyteaches, when their beliefs remain in flux, ready to be changed at a moments notice? Was the 1914 generation teaching what the Bible REALLY taught? Or has that now been updated???
How can they point to a single verse and claim its simple and clear? The two example's of the condition of the dead and paradise, dont add up with what the NT says, so now how clear and simple is it? Are they saying that there can't be 144k going to heaven or already there? And do all humans go to this paradise as they have just shown us, despite the heavenly calling??? Yes very clear and simple WTS.
I also dislike the way they assume God's original purpose was for humans to live on earth forever - where does it say that? If that is the case were humans to have been naked forever too? How do we know what the original purpose was if it wasnt completed? What where the tree of life and tree of knowledge? Doesn't it say they were banished in case they ate from the tree of life and lived forever? So couldnt this mean they were not going to live forever until they ate of it? Doesn't revelation 2:7 mention to the annointed that they would eat from this tree also? So can we really make assumptions as to what was God's purpose?
There is so much more I could say on this material...
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before i got df'd for you know what i told the brothers i was having doubts....think theylll keep me out longer?.
Your at a crossroad in your life - try to make an informed choice as to which direction you go from here.
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"the first resurrection" now under way!.
"-1 thessalonians 4:16.. .
over 90,434 at the memorial in 1925 at a time when all were anointed, ten years before the "great crowd" doctrine was presented in 1935. there are 120, plus 3,000 then 5,000 alone reported in the first few years of the christian congregation.. *** w67 11/15 p. 694 par.
This is quite an amazing study - here is where it gets interesting, when the WTS tries to reason on one of its doctrines. I didnt spot the paragraph 10/11 fiasco, but it makes fascinating reading, thanks for you guys pointing that out.
What stood out to me was paragraph 13: For example, Paul wrote: "Wethe livingwho survive to the presence of the Lord [not, to the end of his presence] shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward wethe living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17)
The scripture reads that Paul and others at that time expected to survive to the presence of the Lord, as though it was going to happen in their lifetime. Surely he wouldn't have written it that way if the presence wasnt going to come for another almost 2000 years! Afterall its claimed he was inspired to write this.
When I read the NT without the WTS blinkers on, my conclusion was that all that was supposed to happen was fulfilled in the first century, not that I believe it to be anymore than fiction these days.
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comments you will not hear at the 02-11-07 wt study (january 1, 2007, pages 20-25)(must become joyful).
review comments will be in red.
14) after the atonement day, the israelites celebrated the festival of booths, the most joyful festival of the jewish year.
If the idea is to switch people's minds off by these dull studies, and then let them read how its all true (despite no proof), so as to get that hour of their lives over, then they are doing a good job. People will just see the things they have been programmed to over so many years and will not require any thinking ability, but will leave it in the hands of the writers. Unfortunately they are just saying these things foreshadow this or that, which again makes loyal dubs think they are right, and yet any normal person can see there is no indication of foreshadowing at all.
A very long boring article to have to comment on Blondie, well done for you patience,
get well soon
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